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##### Ideas on function, layout, content / New Domain

Last post by**Alan Fox**-

Site crash was caused by me trying to upgrade to newer version of Elkarte. To sort it I created a new site with the existing database. Now there are two! Please use theskepticalforum.com and I'll mothball this one

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##### Politics / Re: Famous Battles

Last post by**stcordova**-

Battle of Vienna

Charge of Jan Sobieski

Battle of Vienna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

Charge of Jan Sobieski

Battle of Vienna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

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The Battle of Vienna (German: Schlacht am Kahlen Berge or Kahlenberg; Polish: bitwa pod Wiedniem or odsiecz wiedeńska (The Relief of Vienna); Modern Turkish: İkinci Viyana Kuşatması, Ottoman Turkish: Beç Ḳalʿası Muḥāṣarası) took place at Kahlenberg Mountain near Vienna on 12 September 1683[1] after the imperial city had been besieged by the Ottoman Empire for two months. The battle was fought by the Habsburg Monarchy, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Holy Roman Empire, under the command of King John III Sobieski against the Ottomans and their vassal and tributary states. The battle marked the first time the Commonwealth and the Holy Roman Empire had cooperated militarily against the Ottomans, and it is often seen as a turning point in history, after which "the Ottoman Turks ceased to be a menace to the Christian world".[18] In the ensuing war that lasted until 1699, the Ottomans lost almost all of Hungary to the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I.[18]

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Contemporary Ottoman historian Silahdar Findiklili Mehmed Agha (1658-1723) described the battle as an enormous defeat and failure for the Ottoman Empire, the most disastrous since the foundation of Ottoman statehood in 1299.[33] The Ottomans lost at least 20,000 men during the siege,[citation needed] while their losses during the battle with Sobieski's forces amounted to around 15,000 dead (according to Podhorodecki)[17] or 8,000-15,000 dead and 5,000 captured (according to Tucker).[16]:661 Casualties of the allied relief force under Sobieski's command were much smaller, amounting to approximately 3,500 dead and wounded, including 1,300 Poles.[17] Tucker's estimate is slightly higher: 4,500.[16]:661 The Viennese garrison and the civilian populace lost, due to all causes, about half of their initial number during the siege.[7]

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Soon the Ottomans disposed of their defeated commander. On 25 December 1683 Kara Mustafa Pasha was executed in Belgrade in the approved manner--by strangulation with a silk rope pulled by several men on each end--by order of the commander of the Janissaries.

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##### Politics / Re: Famous Battles

Last post by**stcordova**-

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##### Politics / Famous Battles

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##### Creation vs. Evolution / Re: Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

Last post by**stcordova**-

Trying to learn solutions to Shrodinger's equation as applied to real world systems is very difficult, and in fact for even simple systems, virtually impossible. So we generally start with trivial hypothetical toy systems.

Schrodinger's equation isn't actually a solution, it describes what the solution to the equation must be, and the solution is called Psi (the pitchfork symbol).

Stepping back a bit outside of Schrodinger's equation, lets look at a trivial differential equation where the solution is "Y", not "Psi"

Now, notice the differential equation has an infinite number of possible solutions. In other words, there are an infinite number of possible Ys that can satisfy the differential equation. Now, just for fun, I can substitute Psi in place of Y in the differential equation and it's derivation of a solution. It's all just symbol manipulation. I'm doing this to try to de-mystify what we are aiming to do with the Schrodinger differential equation by putting Psi in a trivial differential equation:

So that was the Psi solution to a trivial differential equation. In Quantum Mechanics in many non-relativistic contexts for the simplest case, the Psi solution is a solution to this 2nd order partial equation in two dimenstions, namely Shrodinger's equation for a simple system:

Schrodinger's equation isn't actually a solution, it describes what the solution to the equation must be, and the solution is called Psi (the pitchfork symbol).

Stepping back a bit outside of Schrodinger's equation, lets look at a trivial differential equation where the solution is "Y", not "Psi"

Now, notice the differential equation has an infinite number of possible solutions. In other words, there are an infinite number of possible Ys that can satisfy the differential equation. Now, just for fun, I can substitute Psi in place of Y in the differential equation and it's derivation of a solution. It's all just symbol manipulation. I'm doing this to try to de-mystify what we are aiming to do with the Schrodinger differential equation by putting Psi in a trivial differential equation:

So that was the Psi solution to a trivial differential equation. In Quantum Mechanics in many non-relativistic contexts for the simplest case, the Psi solution is a solution to this 2nd order partial equation in two dimenstions, namely Shrodinger's equation for a simple system:

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##### Creation vs. Evolution / Re: Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

Last post by**stcordova**-

Well the Nobel Prize winning Quantum Physicist Max Born produced some headaches for physics students but he produced a talented grand daughter to sooth some of those headaches. Here is Born's grand daughter, Olivia Newton John singing and making God's world a friendlier place to live:

"I honestly love you" performed by a Quantum Physicists Grand Daughter

"I honestly love you" performed by a Quantum Physicists Grand Daughter

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##### Creation vs. Evolution / Re: Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

Last post by**stcordova**-

Now the Schrodinger Equation looks intimidating, but really it's just an equation with parameters. The most important are:

m = mass

V= potential energy

h-bar = planck's constant/ 2 pi

A mathematician can then take those parameters and solve the equation of Psi (the pitchfork symbol). Hypothetically, someone could write a computer program, and I could just pump in the parameters, and I get solutions to Psi.

It turns out one can then derive the probability distributions based on Psi by this equation by Max Born:

Max Born won the Nobel Prize for his work on Quantum Mechanics.

As a total aside, Max Born was the grand father of this famous singer and actress, Olivia Newton John:

m = mass

V= potential energy

h-bar = planck's constant/ 2 pi

A mathematician can then take those parameters and solve the equation of Psi (the pitchfork symbol). Hypothetically, someone could write a computer program, and I could just pump in the parameters, and I get solutions to Psi.

It turns out one can then derive the probability distributions based on Psi by this equation by Max Born:

Max Born won the Nobel Prize for his work on Quantum Mechanics.

As a total aside, Max Born was the grand father of this famous singer and actress, Olivia Newton John:

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##### Creation vs. Evolution / Re: Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

Last post by**stcordova**-

This thread is a spin-off of the discussion here:

http://theskepticalforum.org/index.php?topic=347.0

As alluded to in that thread the Bohr model of the electron in a hydrogen atom describes the AVERAGE behavior of an ensemble of hypothetical electrons based on the energy state of the electron. The change in energy associated with "orbits" of the electron is described by

E = h * nu

But if we have average behavior, what the is the equation that describes the probability distribution from which we get averages from. For example, here is one distribution with an average, the normal distribution. Graphically depicted the distribution looks like:

In terms of an equation, it is described exactly as:

Unfortunately, the distribution of positions of a quantum "particle" like an electron isn't so easy to depict as it is dependent on context.

But let's look at a specific example, the electron "orbiting" the hydrogen atom. The average position accords with the bohr model. If we plotted a graphical distribution of the distance of the electron from the center of the nucleus of the hydrogen atom, the probability distribution for the various "orbits" would look like:

That is to say, if we had a machine that recorded positions of the electron in a partical energy state (like 1s) over time, and plotted how many times the electron appeared at various distances, it would look like the plot above.

To mathematically capture this, Shrodinger had to make an equation to predict that behavior and hence the famous Shrodinger equation:

http://theskepticalforum.org/index.php?topic=347.0

As alluded to in that thread the Bohr model of the electron in a hydrogen atom describes the AVERAGE behavior of an ensemble of hypothetical electrons based on the energy state of the electron. The change in energy associated with "orbits" of the electron is described by

E = h * nu

But if we have average behavior, what the is the equation that describes the probability distribution from which we get averages from. For example, here is one distribution with an average, the normal distribution. Graphically depicted the distribution looks like:

In terms of an equation, it is described exactly as:

Unfortunately, the distribution of positions of a quantum "particle" like an electron isn't so easy to depict as it is dependent on context.

But let's look at a specific example, the electron "orbiting" the hydrogen atom. The average position accords with the bohr model. If we plotted a graphical distribution of the distance of the electron from the center of the nucleus of the hydrogen atom, the probability distribution for the various "orbits" would look like:

That is to say, if we had a machine that recorded positions of the electron in a partical energy state (like 1s) over time, and plotted how many times the electron appeared at various distances, it would look like the plot above.

To mathematically capture this, Shrodinger had to make an equation to predict that behavior and hence the famous Shrodinger equation:

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##### Creation vs. Evolution / Re: Quantum Mechanics Basics and Refresher Material

Last post by**stcordova**-

Tipler and Barrow generalized Schrodinger's equation to argue God exists based on the Copenhagen interpretation. To explore the Schrodinger equation in more detail, I'm starting a separate thread.

Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

http://theskepticalforum.org/index.php?topic=361.0

Schrodinger's Equation and Basic Quantum Mechanics Refresher

http://theskepticalforum.org/index.php?topic=361.0